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I haven't spend much time on my computer last weekend, but enough to see that DeviantArt was kept busy by a troll that apparently did really well for as much as trolls can 'do well' on the internet. A little over 4000 pageviews in just 4 days the account is online proved not only the artists involved in the matter took offense... but apparently a lot of other DeviantArt members as well. Even those that seemed (to me at least) totally uninvolved with the troll or the particular type of art.
For those that wonder about the issue; It's about Foxbun's rather cynical joke about the 'closed species' matter. (I'm usually against name calling here. But this account has intentionally created for its goal. It has been all over the site already and would've been in the comments within 10 minutes, even without me mentioning here. I don't provide a link, though. Use your search engine if you want to research it.)

The term white knight is to most older members of DeviantArt (or the internet in general) a well known term, and not for its positive connotation. It's most used in the context of fanatic fangirls or groupies that defend a celebrity or (in this case) famous artist on basically every front, regardless of checking sources, or if this person is right and reasonable or not. This often leads to awkward situations, harassing people, spamming and entire wars against a single (sometimes unaware) critic, often with devastating consequences. 

Seeing the huge amount hateful of comments on this single issue, and considering the fact that a few of the artists attacked where considered 'big shots' on DeviantArt, I consider this again a classic case of white knighting. And regardless of the person being a scam or not; I do not like the sight of that. Not at all. It reminds me a bit too much of the high school bullying where it was often 10 people against 1, and the rest stood by and just watched and laughed. I just can't help to cringe at that kind of behavior. 

Sure, this person might be an experienced internet user. A troll, or whatever people might call it. But not all people are aware of internet rules and community etiquette.
In one of my early years on DeviantArt, I once made the mistake to post a critical comment on an artwork from a user that had a rather big fanbase. Despite my good intentions of actually of wanting to help this artist, and the fact that my comment was overall balanced, the comment was everything but appreciated. At least; not by her fans. Even before she could reply I got at least 5 replies in my inbox written by her fans. They told me, not in the nicest way, my comment was unjustified and that I was a **** [you may imagine] for even having the guts to write something like that to their idol. In the end the artist herself never replied to me, but the negative feeling that came with her drawings lasted a long time. I unwatched her for a while. And even when I found back the courage to watch her again (when I realized she wasn't the one responsible, but her fans were) I actually never commented again. I liked her art, but wanted to avoid her fans really badly.

A few years of experience and a lot more watchers have basically forced to view the issue from the other side as well. 
And this makes it part of the reason why I want to share this with people.

Because as an artist I've learned that you can't completely control a watcher base. A few days ago I made a piece for the MH17 airplane disaster. Just, heartfelt, because as a fellow Dutchy (a lot of people from my country died there) I felt like it. Most reactions were positive. One, however, was negative. But before I even woke up the next day and had the chance to look at it and write a reply to it... another person already wrote something instead. Luckily this was a very sensible person and a very sensible and thoughtful comment. But the point is; with such exposure, people answer things before I myself can even get to it. And that's basically how part of this happens.
Part of it, I say. Because I firmly believe the other part is controllable with responsible behavior. There's a difference between making a journal about "Somebody insulted me. I feel bad today"  or "Person-X insulted me. What a ****". The first statement is probably going to get you some cyber hugs and comforting reactions. The second thing will most definitely redirect all the hate towards that Person-X. And while that sweet revenge might bring you relief for a second, it won't make you anything more than just a big cyber bully. Overall; refrain from name calling, unless positive... or unless it's such a big blown up matter that everybody already knows it and not saying the word is like ignoring an elephant in the room.

As for people in whose name is white knightned (if that even is a verb). I cannot speak for all of them on DeviantArt here, but I'm sure there are many people with me on this one, that don't particularly like it when their "fans" go all out on someone or something. Having a reasonable discussion with someone about a subject, even in the name of some else, is totally fine. As long as it's done in a polite manner and with some solid arguments. Trolling people, harassing them, spamming them, calling names, bullying them... etc... is not cool.
It might seem cute and everything. Defending your idol. And sure, I can imagine people being protective towards someone else that else that already gets a lot of criticism -- I don't deny the fact that some people here are in fact exposed to harsh criticism. But doing bad things in the name of your idol only gives your idol a bad name and reputation. And that's the one thing you don't want as fanatic fan. People turning away from your fandom, because they might've liked the fandom itself, but can't stand the fans. 

To return to the beginning of my DeviantArt journey. I was a newbie on the site, a non-native English person (took me ages to write a message in English) and unaware of the general culture on the site. I thought I did something helpful, and those reactions scared the shit out of me. That being one of the first experiences with that particular artist on the site, it left such a bad taste in my mouth that I never commented on the artist work again. Ironically not even up until today. I could've been an amazing fan, though. Considering that, back in that time, I was a basement dweller with basically no life and there were other people that I commented on all the time. But yeah, those so called fans just scared me away.

What I wanted to say is; just don't be that person that ruins the experience for other people on the website.
If the artist himself wants to be an ass and chase away his fans... that's up to him. Those are his fans, so it's his loss. But don't do it for another artist. If someone personally attacks you, your family, or your best friend... it's totally be okay to get involved. If someone attacks your art, it's okay to get angry. But don't get into a fight for an artist you barely know. Or at least not without doing a proper background check on the subject and having a solid opinion on the subject that's actually yours.

And as a final note. Before any of you go harassing to comment section saying "OMG! U support art theft!!!!" or anything like that, just because I mentioned this particular case; learn to read context. I don't support art theft at all, and I've never done so. But I don't support cyber bullying either. My stance on this case is rather neutral, and the only reason I brought it up is to serve as a recent example.
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1deathgod Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And that's the reason I stay away from mainstream art and artists (for the most part). Fans are terrifying.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pretty sad, though.
Artists can only do little to control their fans :(
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1deathgod Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah.  And I know the artist probably had nothing to do with the way their fans are, but that doesn't change the fact that they can sometimes be incredibly hostile.
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ElvinGearMaster Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Fans are terrifying. Period.
I made levels up for them
1- Like me, casual fans that will ignore you if you don't like the artist.
2- May reply to a comment but not hostile.
3- Hostile-ish but won't try to claw your eyes out just yet.
4- Don't speak to them. Just... Don't.
So far, this system has worked for me.
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Kiwikku Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
You remind me of Kazerad. Check him out on tumblr.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is that a good or a bad thing? 0__o
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Kiwikku Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014
Yeah! He's only one of the awesomest guys ever.
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icee-deeyah Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's too rude, tsk. Thanks for this, I only knew about this kind of propaganda when you shared the link of your journal. :3
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witchpaws Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014   Digital Artist
The user who created the "foxbun" account also runs the "dogebutt" account, which had acted extremely rude to me in the past in another attempt to bait white knights. Ironic!
They are what inspired me to write my journal on this topic as well. Well, them, and just the general bullcrap I see on here every day. I think I've fainted. 
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmm... that's weird.
I recently had a discussion with the user on the subject, but he didn't give me quite that impression. Might be because I'm not into the whole specie-creating thing or something. But still... :/
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witchpaws Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014   Digital Artist
I am not sure what sort of image/personality they present to other people in order to look good, but I can say firsthand that I have only had negative experiences with this user...all of them were completely unprovoked on my end.
They seemed to get a kick out of putting myself and some other artists down. Luckily those things don't bother me, but I can't speak for other artists. Oh well :)
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Kiwikku Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
He's actually pretty cool.
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witchpaws Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014   Digital Artist
That's cool. I would never associate with him.
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Kiwikku Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
I just think he has his own special kind of humor. Some people like it and others don't. I personally love it, the guy's my best friend in all of dA.
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Codemus Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014
These are probably deeply unhappy people desperate for any sort of attention.  I'm sorry to hear they made some of your early experiences on this site uncomfortable.
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KaiTehFox Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Omfg, just like that happend to me. :iconginsuke: Got everyone againest me, its true same exact thing happend to me. :[
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure if you're aware of this; but when you tag a person this person gets notified.
You might not want that?
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KaiTehFox Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
The person blocked me. .-.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay
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KaiTehFox Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
He really did put me through hell, too many people are going and harassing me, so I moved accounts.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Might not be the smartest thing to tag him and start it all over with again then.
Just staying...
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KaiTehFox Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yeah..
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jimmyjimjimmery Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Student General Artist
it's interesting reading how a comment can affect someone like that, probably because i have similar reactions in general, I was quite lucky in the my first comment was on quite a popular deviant (Mrjack)'s deviantart and got a positive response from him myself, so I guess that was quite fortunate. Sometimes I find people are too hasty to make a decision for their idol though unforunately, the person themselves might be fine with a critique or things but their fanbase decides as if they know them perhaps? I dunno I guess sometimes making a choice to stand up for someone isn't the best if you don't understand the situation properly. I've been offline so i'm unaware of the trolling incident though, it's good to see someone doesn't just assume that it's a troll and jump on the aggression wagon. :)
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Stettafire Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've never heard of that phrase white knight before. But, I have seen situations such as this. I've been rather active on youtube for some time now and now I have seen both sides of the issue. What I mean is, I've been the person everyone directs their hate at and I've seen somone I support say somthing about a person being mean (for whatever reason) then his fanbase rise up to 'defend' him. It is horrible and it achieves ultimatly nothing. And, you are right, it reminds me of my high school experiences. 
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xkhrymson Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I've seen white knights in action, albeit not in dA. I would agree that it is cringe worthy. It was from a forum based community were a "reg", short term for a regular poster, bashed on another "reg" by name calling, uggo drop (basically posting a certain user's picture and calling them ugly). It was funny at first, seeing as to how he was evidently a troll. But seeing how many people came forward saying "Yeah, I hate that person", "She's a ****", cumulatively it will start to hurt. Worse, it wasn't only a single hate thread but several that went on for several hours.

It's a sad sight but some people don't take into account that they are hurting someone.
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nocturnaliss Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Sadly, it's the people who read your journals who probably have no use for this one; people who could use it would say: it doesn't apply to me, I'm not like that.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You'd honestly be surprised by number of private messaged that I received over this journal entry with people that admitted they've never thought about the issue in that way.
Most of them wouldn't post it in the comment section, though.
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IceLaws Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thats great!!!!!!!
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nocturnaliss Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Seriously? I am indeed surprised. And glad they did. 
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Luluthir Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014  Professional Artist
Some art friends and I have had that experience as well, regarding giving criticism on artwork and getting negative feedback from fans/friends whatever.
Due to that, I never ever give advice or criticism unless they ask for it, or I know they want it, I'm not getting into that kind of drama again.  It's fine to disagree and discuss the feedback as long as you do it in a nice tone.

I'm pretty sure this is also why some artist just decides to disable comments. (rude people/trolls/WhiteKnights)





 
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fanfictionaxis Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Very good journal and I do agree with you. White knights are there but for the most part they are probably being lied to, to get them to 'protect' the writer or the artist or to defend them.
My friend Lady-Elita-One had experienced with the white knight bully supporters of an ex-friend of mine (I happened to be one of those but kicked this friend out when they lied to me about my friend Elita and changed my ways) who will remain nameless as they do not deserve recognition for their bullying and harassment ways.
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ShadowSketch91 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Student General Artist
i love how deadbeat simple he's portraying the truth, it's not about art-theft, it's about ridiculousness.
It's like when Apple took Samsung to the court and made an appeal to get the license to be the only company to use round shapes in their design, it's absolutely retarded.
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Kitty-Kirishima Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
this is one of those "welcome to the internet" things... its sad but true when you are behind the screen instead of in front of a person its harder to think in terms of how your words will affect them... It makes it easier to bully people ... I wish people would think twice before they do things like this :/
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cavaleiroviking Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Just wanted to say, great text.
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Light-Lein Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well told. I never heard of that fenomenon but I can imagine it excists. Hopefully you can awake some people that it is better to think first about what you say and do on the internet. We are all people here with feelings, sometimes people forget that because you only see a website in front of you, but that is still not a good excuse! 
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spaceskeleton Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014
What I really hate is that we are oblivious to any flame wars on our pages unless we check them regularly. Maybe the artists would reply in a different, more reassuring way and keep the fanatics in check if all replies appeared in the message center. I can't believe this is not a problem to anybody and this suggestion got overlooked support.deviantart.com/entries…
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's pretty much the reason why I remove everything that's that provoking even before it can unleash such a thing.
Better to prevent than to cure.
But I agree with you. It's indeed the lack of a good system.
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aoiitsuki Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've seen some really dumb white knights in my day.... One time a person was selling traced art and all her loyal white knights kept saying that it was okay because it wasn't "100% traced" 
OTL
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ugh... that discussion again. As if 50% tracing is better than 70%
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chichichichipndale Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No one is perfect and everything should be open for criticism.

Unless it's Pacific Rim.  You're not allowed to say bad things about Pacific Rim, troll.
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JulieKrizan Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
This is a good comment.

Pacific Rim is so very perfect.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can remember the many people getting angry about the "honest trailer" about that movie indeed XD
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mortalshinobi Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
yeah, i've seen some people "white knighting" fantasy characters.  it's really funny cuz it's like "do you really have any power to protect them?  here's my power drill, here's your darling character, power drill goes in and character screams, what can you do?" it's really funny cuz in the end their "defending" their idol or their fantasy character just makes you hate that character or artist/celebrity whatever worse.  and if it's a fantasy character and you're an artist who doesn't mind drawing gore... well... that white knighting will generally back fire. badly.  worse yet if they actually insult a character i like to defend their idol.  hehe.  ah, chun li fans.
but seriously, a lot of times white knighting seems like some over hyped child hood crush and it really does no one any good.  i even had to knock back some people who were fans cuz i got a critique they didn't agree with.  i handled it well enough but it's weird and a bit unsettling to have to tell your own friends to back off a bit.  that it's okay, no harm has been done
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BombStarBlast Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok, see! This is why people are not aware of these things, it really upsets me because for the fact, not much people say who they really are, some are really truthful and like arts and doesn't bully or do any harassing, but, there are people with issues out in the real world, and carries it online with out realising it! DamaiMikaz, this is a really good point you put out there, because this type of situation is really upsetting everyone else too if they're against all the harassing mess and all the angry consequences with this really increased. Because here is one thing I really don't get, if they are artists just like us, and they draw, why the heck are they commenting bad on others just because they think their art is better or not or while others are commenting that person art it bad, it's like you can find other artists that draws like them, or is it because they don't want to admit or combine other people's styles of drawing? :(
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PercyPo Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Student Digital Artist
*Sigh.*

You know what DamaiMikaz? Has it ever struck you, that 98% of the time, you're simply stating the obvious?

If that many people are that stupid to not understand any of this, then Goody-two-shoed-GOD forbid what they act like off the internet.

Heh heh heh...No really, this is hilarious. What do you think? Kinda obvious? A little perhaps? Only dumb-asses would waste their time on some dude or girl they don't know in a pathetic argument over art that 95% of the time isn't even worth the debate (recolors, screen-posts, stolen art, etc.)

For all of those who understand the common sense of this all, CHEERS! :ahoy:

For the rest who believe that this is some kind of epic revelation....I should feel sorry for you, but I don't; I don't actually know you.

And lastly, you didn't seem to like my honest criticism on this madam: damaimikaz.deviantart.com/art/…

Maybe that's why you blocked me in the first place....It's all coming back now. :XD:

Ah well. Do again if you must, but at least allow for a little debate without having to instantaneously block someone. Where is the fun in that? It's not hateful, just an opinion. :)
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
> You know what DamaiMikaz? Has it ever struck you, that 98% of the time, you're simply stating the obvious? 
The sad truth is, though, that common sense is not as common as you might think these days.

> Only dumb-asses would waste their time on some dude or girl they don't know in a pathetic argument over art that 95% of the time isn't even worth the debate (recolors, screen-posts, stolen art, etc.)
Or children that don't know better or haven't realized that that isn't the way to go yet.
And.... according to DA's age demographic a lot of the people here are teenagers.

> For the rest who believe that this is some kind of epic revelation....I should feel sorry for you, but I don't; I don't actually know you.
I've never claimed so. It's simply a display of opinion. And most of the things I write are either based on opinions or statistics. Nothing more than that.
90% of the people that does great in society or whatsoever doesn't actually tell something new. They're not inventors, scientists, or whatsoever. It's the way they bring the message that is greatly motivating people, that does the trick. In the end of the story, people won't remember exactly what you said to them. They will remember, how you made them feel. And that's the most important thing to go with. Make sure people leave with a positive feeling.
From what I can see on your profile, you seem to have your way around words as well... and you don't strike me as the shy type. Has it ever occurred to you that you could lift people up greatly, instead of burning them down? There comes great power with words :)

> Maybe that's why you blocked me in the first place....It's all coming back now.
We've discussed this whole block-thing over PM, so I see no reason to bring it up now. But I'm pretty sure that was not the reason why you were blocked at all. Tbh, I liked the fact that you were one of the few that pointed out those things, regardless if right or not. I thought you actually had a solid point in that comment, although I would've liked it more if you provided a bit more detail in your explanation (redlines, etc). As the block was done by one of my sisters (for those that don't know yet; I have people that help me out with comment sorting due to my bad health) I cannot say for 100% sure why it was done. But I assume any message worded in such an provoking manner, as if you were trying to get a flamewar, would've been the reason.... as I've basically instructed my helpers to keep anything that could result in a flamewar overnight off my page.
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PercyPo Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Thank you for the response.

I understand where you're coming from; earnestly I do. And you're right: sadly, common sense isn't as "common" as it used to be.

I admit, at times I can sound....What's the word....Rude, or forward perhaps, but in the end I try to do it with good nature. :XD: I've always been one to strongly voice my opinion about something.

And as for the comment/block, we're cool. I probably shouldn't have brought it up. I tend to give out comments more than I fave, far, far more than I fave actually, so usually I'll leave honest criticism in my sentences with the intention of helping the artist in the long run.

It may seem like I pop up around stuff on the homepage or journal portal a lot because it's right there and easy to state an opinion on. Don't get me wrong though, my #1 goal on this site is to help support other artists who are not recognized of whom posses extraordinary talent. :)

I don't think I draw incredibly well...Not at all in the slightest. I suck next to most. :D I don't care about fame, attention, popularity or any of that. I don't make it my goal on here. I am here for fun, to help others, and get criticism. I don't want compliments.

I want people to tell me how to get better. I don't care who it's coming from either; all outsider's opinions are of value. It's honestly a bit of an art in itself; mastering the judgement of just who is and isn't a troll. Believe you me, I can tell the difference.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
common sense isn't as "common" as it used to be
It never used to be either. You just got older and wiser yourself over time, so it seems like the world got more stupid :)

I admit, at times I can sound....What's the word....Rude, or forward perhaps, but in the end I try to do it with good nature.
Well, it's hard to interpret things over text sometimes, when you can't read someone's body language and facial expression. So things that are meant to be funny can come across as rude and insulting. Especially things like sarcasm are hard to get across online.

It may seem like I pop up around stuff on the homepage or journal portal a lot because it's right there and easy to state an opinion on
I've never actually noticed XD
Usernames come and go for me. It's hard to keep track of them, as there are so many and people change their names and avatars often. If you hadn't pointed out that comment to me, I wouldn't probably even have known it was you. It's sad, but that's the truth. I don't have an amazing memory. I work at a company with 90 people irl and I already have a hard time remembering all their names XD

I don't care about fame, attention, popularity or any of that. I don't make it my goal on here. I am here for fun, to help others, and get criticism. I don't want compliments.
Tbh and despite popular opinion.... I don't think many of the popular people here are. 
Being well known is fun and all, but comes with serious disadvantages. I don't say it's worthy to complain over. But it seems prettier from the outside than it's actually is. I always compare it to those desperate singles that want a relationship, without realizing that a relationship comes with not-so-fun things as well. Unlike what many people think or say, I'm just a regular artist whose curiosity in social media brought me a far end. I just happen to like being social online and having discussions, which has helped me tremendously on this site... and is the reason I've been moderating forums as well since 2002 already. That doesn't mean I'm less of an artist. It just means I'm just a slight bit different from the regular artist that's purely driven by its own improvement. My interests are just too shifted. I like art, marketing, social media, psychology, tech-stuff.... and yes... sometimes I really envy people like you that are so pure that they just "want to improve in art" :(

I want people to tell me how to get better. I don't care who it's coming from either; all outsider's opinions are of value
You might be interested in joining groups aimed towards improvement. I've done so in the past, and got quite the amount of useful feedback from it.
Sadly I've grown out of most of them (surpassed most correctors in the sense of skills) and many of them have gone inactive... but it's a good way to get feedback on art if you want to.

It's honestly a bit of an art in itself; mastering the judgement of just who is and isn't a troll. Believe you me, I can tell the difference.
Research showed that most trolls are in fact above average intelligent and well educated people. So most of them are people capable of high level thinking and talking. The point is; they aren't always willing to.
I've seen people that annoyed the shit out of people come to senses and, had a reasonable debate with them, and I've seen people that just kept going on trolling. It depends on their mood, rather than on their skills.
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PercyPo Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yeah....Cheers to you. :ahoy:

I'll be floating around to offer that criticism often. :)
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