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Yep. Another rant. It all started a few weeks ago.
Apparently there was a topic on DA's forum that was about "profile picture whoring". I honestly didn't know such a thing existed, let alone it would be allowed on DA (artists shaming, isn't it?). I don't even know the URL anymore, neither if it was removed by the mods or not. How I got to know about this topic, you ask? Well, I was tagged. Apparently my current profile picture was posted by someone in the topic, who obviously forgot that I would be mentioned when the picture was posted. The idiot :')

Anyhow. I understand DA's culture nowadays. While I can still remember the days on the internet in which you were only a written username with some text, nowadays the internet is all social media. And social media is full of people screaming for attention. Showing pictures of themselves, just to show how pretty they are and how much their lives are better than yours. Yeah, these are sad times, somehow. I mean, we're nowadays having people diagnosed with "facebook depression". That's how deep down we went.
As artists, a lot of people have always been opposed to this phenomenon. They wanted their profile about their art, not about themselves. And so they massively hated on all the artistic nude and erotic photography, saying it was done for generating pageviews alone. Not completely true, but understandable, at least to some extend.

What I still don't understand, is why my picture would be labeled as "profile picture whoring". I mean, it only shows me, drawing. No cleavage or whatnot. Not even my face. And as I'm drawing on a tablet, it seemed to me that it was pretty relevant to my art... you know.

So okay... that might've been just some fool that put me in that topic. To be honest, I don't even remember it's username anymore.
What did surprise me, was a profile that I came by a few days ago. A girl that had generated over 30k pageviews in just a few days, and more watchers than I've had for over the first 5 years that I was here. It surprised me. And I wondered "why would this girl be so popular?" Maybe she had amazing art, you know...

I checked her gallery, and ended up utterly disappointed. It was full of nude pictures or herself. Not the artistic kind of nudity that you often find around here, and which I can (to some extend) even appreciate. Nope, those were crappy webcam pictures. 600 x 800 pixels maximum, low quality jpeg compression. And while the girl did have kind of a cute face, the poses weren't anywhere near artistic, let alone the quality. I was sure about one thing; this wasn't about art. This was about attention seeking.
Curious as I was about why this was obviously such an internet phenomenon, I clicked the tumblr link beneath the pictures. And suddenly I came to understand what made her so "popular". While DA has pretty strict rules when it comes to mature content, tumblr doesn't. I guess I don't have to line this out for you.

What did surprise me, were the comments she got on DA. All positive. Not a single one complaining about the nudity on DA, on her pictures being not art, or the crappy quality. None of the comments where blocked. No, there were just fans. Lot's of them. And that's basically where I stopped understanding.

So when I post a picture from myself on my profile, a decent picture on which I'm drawing, on an art site... just to show people who is the person behind that tablet... I'm an attention whore. But when some random other girl, posts crap-quality screenshots of her naked body in suggestive poses on an art website, it's suddenly all okay and everybody adores it. 

For gods sake, DA's userbase. If you start hating on something, then at least be consistent ~__~

Note; usernames have been left out on purpose. I don't want people to be personally attacked just because I wrote this. So don't ask for it
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Mighty-Toast Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
There are a lot of people who draw sexually explicit material on this site for attention. And they have more fans that you can count.
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Enterprise4life Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly.... IMO the only career that the girl has for herself in the future is the porn industry if she keeps this up -_- because if other employers look her up and see her pictures they won't want to hire her.
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ChildrenOfLight Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Some people are just born... Idiotic (Best word I could use without flat out swearing)
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AkUmA-987 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Student Writer
Agreed.

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EspadaDelOscuro Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I think stupid people were put on this planet to test our anger management issues. :iconyoukiddingmeplz:
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CounterfeitRoses Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Geniuw X'D
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EspadaDelOscuro Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconimhighplz:
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CounterfeitRoses Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Genius* O///O"
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Doeray-G Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
I so agree
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newblololol99 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
I'm just going to favorite and agree with you because I feel like i really need to post my art before i can comment.
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Byassu Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
your situation reminded me of this


because well...you never understand them.
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The-Hollster Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
Agreed.
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abi-m Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014
yeah, sadly, if you look carefully DA has changed a lot nowadays, full of sad people like these (don't know if sad would be the right word) but the worst part is that it seems that the majority of the userbase is not about art )= ... it remind me what a classmate told to a friend when she told him she had a DA gallery for her drawings, he said "oh, the site for free porn" ... No, I disagree! 
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valeriemary309 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I am a girl and I often dont really know whether to hate, ridicule or pity idiotic girls like that who have obviously no respect for themselves.. People tell me that I am pretty all the time yet I somehow hate these cute looking girls who sometimes are so brazenly sexy( maybe some guys like that, ugh) and flaunt their bodies on the internet and especially in a 'n your face' kinda way. Thank God at least some people still have sense left.
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Shazzra Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
totally agree with you.. 
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SilentFlameNinja Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree with you.
Teenagers nowadays are like that Meh
And that's one of the reasons why I want to leave Facebook.
(I use it only for school stuffs...because our professors make groups there, and our cosplay group is there)
It is full of idiots.
I wouldn't mind someone's picture if it is a cosplay or an expression of one's self (like yours) or if it is artistic,
but something like that girl that you said.....never.

Deviantart is being invaded with such idiots.
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JulieKrizan Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student Digital Artist
This is deviantART, andyou kind of have to take into account that dA is primarily a hobbyist's site. There's no quality control whatsoever, and for every good piece posted here you get five hundred MS Paint ponies. If you're looking for a consistent source of quality art, this is not the site you want- you want places like Behance / CGTalk / SlashThree / Depthcore / ConceptArt.org.

I get pretty tired of people whining about how 'deviantART isn't a social network'. It is, and even if it wasn't at its start, its culture and direction have changed over the years to cater more heavily to its target audience of hobbyists. I feel like you're kind of expecting dA to be something it's not and has never been, aka a professional environment dedicated to reliably producing and exhibiting high-quality work.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
for every good piece posted here you get five hundred MS Paint ponies
I lol'ed so hard XD

you want places like Behance / CGTalk / SlashThree / Depthcore / ConceptArt.org
I've been there, but found the people rather unfriendly and unapproachable. 

I get pretty tired of people whining about how 'deviantART isn't a social network'. It is
Yeah. It is. It has all characteristics of social media.

I feel like you're kind of expecting dA to be something it's not
I was hoping there would still be a mild level of moderation, common sense or decency here. Like there was on most forums in the early internet. But I guess the internet in general has grown out to be a shameless place nowadays. 
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JulieKrizan Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Student Digital Artist
First off, sorry about how grouchy my original post sounded. I just reread it and realized that I was being a huge grump. :C

About the unapproachability- it's not that they're unfriendly, it's more that those forums are used by professionals who are there to display work, get critique, and improve- they aren't there to make lots of internet friends. That's partially the reason that those sites are full of high-quality work.

. . . crap, I sound like a jerk here too. HALP. :C
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well... I posted some stuff... but as I would hardly get feedback... I didn't post anymore.
Sure, there were some good people there that I could take example of. And I liked seeing the process of how some people worked on their art. 
It's just that I feel like I don't exactly fit in there. I like drawing and I like getting better, but I'm nowhere to becoming a professional. I'm not planning to be one either, and that's a deliberate choice from my side (I have a good job already, and drawing all day wouldn't do my wrist injury any good). But because of my stance in that, I feel like people are not treating me like I'm a serious person. 
Sure, I like to have fun sometimes. And my income doesn't depend on my artistic skills at all. But that doesn't mean I'm less interested in improvement. 
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Stettafire Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
The amount of people who have said that beacuse I'm not taking art as a career that means I shouldn't worry about improving is unreal. For me, that's where all the fun is
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Differshipping Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I rarely have photos of me. I am very camera shy and can't stand looking at myself.
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Bootsii Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think, yeah, they were just being foolish by criticizing your picture as... whoring? I don't get it.
It does make me "eh" at some nude "art" on here, but I suppose technically everything is art no matter the quality. Hell, sometimes I try to downgrade on my quality of art for a certain effect/look.
I think if they had seen her profile though, they would have added her to their list lol? You can't really assume they had come across her xD

( also isn't this new mention thing a great way to catch people talking about you behind your back? :chew: not that I've caught anyone like you have though xD fortunately )
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KitaMikichi Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student General Artist
People like her are the reason it took me as long as it did to get an account here. That stuff is NOT for art sites. 
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Suichu-Kokyu Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
nothing but the truth right here :D
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914four Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had. " - Eric Schmidt
 Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks, months, maybe years. I realize that this adds nothing to the discourse, but the truth is, I doubt there is anything I could say that would. On the plus side, I found your post well written, not overly dramatic or alarmist, and I agree with most of it. As a result, after I click "submit", I'm going to go check out your profile and take a look at your art. :-)
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TheMysticalQ Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Now that's just sad.
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cherrychree-chan Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014
well that's sad, but the whole world is already getting sadder.  I don't think it's fair that up get accused/criticized badly while that other person had fans oogling the contents of her gallery and drooling with appreciation.
do they actually know that some people might be uncomfortable? I mean, they're just basically screaming o ma gawd look at ma gallery and just see all this nudity and watch me do more poses~
it's pretty sad.
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Lewanut Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014
Interesting. I'd imagine that the person complaining about your profile picture was likely projecting; I'd think that they probably felt uncomfortable about their own reaction to your photo and would rather have blamed you than themselves. It's similar to how males will often wrongly assume I'm gay, just because they feel uncomfortable about how dang sexy they think I am. These conclusions courtesy of myself playing armchair psychologist; all the furniture is insane.

I will point out that the inconsistencies in dA members' talk on photo "whoring" is likely due to the fact that the dA userbase is not homogeneous. (My watchers are widely inconsistent; sometimes they like mayonnaise, other times they hate it.) And there'd probably be more complaints about the pronz if the Mature Content filter didn't weed out most of the people who would object. Neither of which invalidate your main point, but overthinking things is fun.
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Colorful--Melody Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
people should be more careful on what they post online. like they will stay there forever. even though you delete it, someone has already saved it on their pc and they can repost anywhere. and especially girls shouldn't post their nude pictures online. artistic models are fine since female bodies are beautiful and very artistic in my opinion. but posting randomly for attention is never good. like come on treasure yourselfff
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bIackhawks Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well one day, those pictures that girl uploaded with one day come to haunt her. She should be careful of what she is posting online, it will be on the internet forever. It could ruin her career she is trying to get or worse; her life. That's why I only post drawings of cats XD
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L-yre Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I posted like, three selfies on here, only to show off a new wig, and sort of get feed back for the bangs I cut on it, but it got tons of views. I was happy that my friends on here finally got to see what I looked like, and got to check out my cosplay in progress, but things got out of hand. I really don't want pictures of myself because this is strictly role-play and ask, but if I cosplayed as Zelda, I would really want to. 

I don't think cam-whoring is right, but nither is unprofessionally posting non-art on an art website, and sadly they're both mixing together. I'm sorry about those nasty messages.
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iAmoret Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
....

Flippin' Tables 
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Rainiila Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow. That's… amazing. Like, I'm amazed that even happened.
Did you report her? 
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Rocket-Peace Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student General Artist
Deviantart has never been that great of quality, even years back the front pages often consists of nonsense.

Whenever I go on the Japanese art website "pixiv.net" the front page is filled with amazing artwork and I can spend hours just browsing; there are no photos of anyone.(there are no ponies, weird fetish stuff, "artsy" photographs or images traces either, and if there is you usually find it's from an English speaking artist).
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think that also has to do with the difference in culture between Japan and America (because DA is mainly american people).
Japanese people are thought to be more polite and considerate then most western country's, and therefore might not upload nude pictures on an art side, out of consideration for others.
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Rocket-Peace Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Hmm, that definitely seems like the case. =u=;)a

It's a real shame we can't adobt similar mannerisms...

I'm really sorry for the late reply!
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I doubt that. 
Individualism is non existent due to group pressure there. I don't know if I would be too happy with that :/
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Rocket-Peace Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014  Student General Artist
Really? Is it?
 How so?

I thought people really got their own say in what they wanted to do on PIXIV.
I know I've definitely not been heckled so far in to drawing a certain way or joining any sort of group.

I'm kinda just on the sidelines on PIXIV, much like dA.

However I guess I feel a stronger connection with the people there, even the most popular artists I've followed don't have that many followers and their greatful for your support, It just seems like a place for art to be art. People don't engage much with one another but it really does cut out the small but iritating parts of dA.

Still greatful to dA though for showing me how many artists are out there and how really applying yourself can help you go along way, so I can never truely resent it. ^^;
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well... keep into account that PIXIV is a smaller community than DA, because the main language is Japanese
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Rocket-Peace Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014  Student General Artist
Yeah...

An English equivalent of PIXIV would be nice, well one that didn't just turn out to be dA.
Ah, wait, maybe dA is actually the English speaking equivalent of PIXIV? I'm not too sure, haha.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To some account, I guess it is.
Often smaller internet community's are far more friendly than big ones. I guess that's because there aren't so many trolls around :)
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Dancing-Kitten Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student Filmographer
Pixiv is great, but I have a couple issues with your comment.

First thing, Pixiv defaults to featured art, while DA defaults to newest. The Newest page on Pixiv is not super different from DAs.

Second, I think you and I have very, very different definitions of "no ponies." (Was gonna link the ones I saw that had been submitted within the last 24 hours, but DA thought it was spam.)
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Colorful--Melody Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
ikr pixiv has lots of beautiful arts >U<
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ReaverxLoganfan21 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I'm beginning to feel that people need to get their shit together when they are on DA people need to seriously stop posting webcam porn
if those morons want to do that go on Rule 34 for fuck sake.
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DADERPSTER Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student General Artist
Somebody got on my friend for drank on NSFW, saying it wasn't good on dA and people could get banned.
And yet, some people are posting that.
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Captain-Savvy Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's just.... wow. I agree with you 100%. Your profile pic is fine... it's you, making art, which is what dA is supposed to be about. It's not attention seeking at all!  The girl who you found .... sheesh. Alas, the 'art' side of dA is becoming lost a little more every day, and the people who praise and seek out that kind of crap aren't helping.
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SgtDelta Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student General Artist
humans :iconaliensguyplz:
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The-Lost-Hope Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014
And people wonder why I avoid getting photos taken of my to put on the internet or otherwise.... Sorry to hear about them being dumb about your profile picture but hey maybe this journal opened a few people's eyes? May I ask what type of tablet you use and what kind you'd recommend to someone looking into getting one?
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DarkRukia91 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I don't come on here much because I hate DA (one reason is what you're stating in this journal) and I see what you're saying. You put one picture about yourself showing what you love to do and you're labeled as an "attention whore" BUT someone else is taking a billion pictures (crappy quality, naked etc)and has fans. I just think that most people are ignorant today...and I see a situation like this WAY too often (not exactly the same but in different ways) I also believe that some people think that an art site is something like a facebook or myspace for...I guess you could label it "booty calls"? kind of seems that way lately lol XD    
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