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Seriously. The sheer horrifying nature of the internet has left me speechless for now. 

I live in a free country, where freedom of speech is an important matter. A long while ago, when I was still young and at school, we learned how to do a proper discussion in class. We were learned that provocation isn't that bad to get a message across, but that you should always have at least some respect for the people you discuss with, and talk with them with calmness and reason. If you lose your temper, you lose the argument. That's what I've learned. 

The reactions I got on my last journal, however, have left met both sad and speechless. Because I'm unable to grasp how people can be so downright insulting towards a fellow human being. To a member of the same website.... 

My journal wasn't meant to tell people how much I hate fanartist. Because... I don't really hate them. I just feel sad about how hard it is to get attention for original work in the sea of fanart out here, and wanted to reflect on DA's culture. I was just hoping to get some responses that told me why people thought about it otherwise. To set up a discussion about the subject. Because I was (and still am) genuinely interested in how other people think. 
I guess the subject is one of those that we shouldn't touch on DA. Even though everybody has his own opinion on the matter (and a strong one, if you ask me), expressing this leads to an instant internet flamewar.... which was far from what I intended when I posted the journal. I admit. The journal might've been a bit too provoking, I didn't expect it to evolve in a massive hate-fest. I would've thought the community was more mature than that. Guess I've been wrong.

I was originally planning to answer all posts. Either positive or negative. A death threat was the limit for me, though. Threatening someone with death because you don't agree with her on the internet? How can you ever justify something like that?

I won't be calling names. The one that send me the message knows it. And I've reported it too the staff as well. I just wanted to let people know the reason I closed comments for now. 

Aside from that... I'd like to apologize. Both to the nice people that genuinely wanted to discuss the issue with me (and are left out now) as to the people that somehow felt offended by my previous journal. All I can say is that I didn't intend to insult anyone personal, and that I'm sorry if I somehow hurt your feelings. I just never realized the impact of a simple journal.

I'm not too popular on DA. Most often my journals got only read by a few. Needless to say, I never realized there was something like a journal portal, until somebody pointed it out to me. I guess the new journal system didn't make much sense to me yet. They changed it a lot since I joined DA, years ago. I never realized that not only my limited group of watchers, and people coming by on my profile, would get the message, but everyone. I never expected it to get viral on DA. I didn't even know there was such a possibility for lesser known members. 

This will probably one of the last journals I post in public for now. And the only reason I post it public, is because it's a follow-up of the last one. 

All I want to say is that I'm just another person of flesh and blood, just like you are. I've been on the internet for years. I've seen a lot, been through a lot as well. But even I can only take things so far. I'm disappointed. I'm done with the internet for today, and I feel like I need a good writing session to get it off my mind. I wish you the best of luck.

PS: 
I see a lot of people continuing the discussion on fanart, either here or over PM. I closed the discussion for a reason. I don't feel the need to argue anymore... and tbh... it makes me tired right now. I have enough stuff on my mind already. I hope you respect me in that. To those that feel the need to keep on trolling here, expect an instant block. I'm to tired of your shit to even continue discussing it with reason. 


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KomjatGirl Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
   I'm glad I've found and read your journal entries! After seeing the loads and loads of pages of bad MLP fanart (mostly done in Paint...ugh) I was worried that I was between the few people worrying over how wrong all of it is. I also like drawing characters from games/shows I've enjoyed, but without tracing, coloring, and all that yaoi bullcrap. And I've never posted it anywhere, it was more like an exercise, a study of poses, perspective and anatomy. But until the day when people would start considering fanart just a ,,warm-up", and then start doing something original, I'll try not to face-palm each time I see a new pony character drawn with the mouse.
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richardP1991 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel like doing some original work now as opposed to copying other people characters.

Thanks for posting this i'am sorry some people on the internet are simply immature and have an unhealthy obsession.

best of luck to you :)
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skittlefuck Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, really great write up you did. I've been wanting to join DeviantArt for awhile and to share my art but frankly, when people go and drool over all the shitty fan art it's not worth the time. I hope people actually start to notice some of the brilliant people on here who barely get any attention...
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alltogethernow28 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hi! I wanted to say, I feel like people shouldn't get so up in arms about peoples OPINIONS. I read the journal, and actually agreed with a lot of it. I do think you can still learn by looking at something, drawing it, and making it your own, you know? I think the best example of that is actually drawing from life though, not fan stuff. I love doing fan art, because I find it really inspiring, plus, it does get you more recognition, I'll be honest ;) but I really love your art! the end ;D
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A-n-t-e-n-o-r-A Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist

Wow, Death threats? Over an internet topic? Now that’s funny. :D Some people get really touchy about stupid shit…
Ok, I am mostly a fan art artist (according to my DA account) and I am not offended quite frankly - you make some valid points. When I started drawing fan art it was a way for me to improve drawing without, thinking much about what to draw. And since I was a fan of the stuff it was quite easy. My reasons for drawing something are pretty much said in the artist’s comments. I was surprised, though, about the amount of attention my stuff got all of a sudden. Especially the first ones, that weren’t even good. I was happy sure, but surprised nonetheless - it turns out fan art is a way to get attention after all. I welcomed it, because with it came some criticism about the way I draw, and it was useful. Though at some point I noticed, it’s about which character I draw, more than how I do it.   So sadly, I mostly agree with you, about some people.

As for the yaoi stuff, I started from hating it, to simply ignoring it. It’s their business what they draw, but I know I’ll never understand it. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with gay people, but Yaoi is far from anything realistic, as far as homo (or hetero) relationship goes. Granted, some of those Yaoi stuff are drawn pretty damn well, damn it!  

Why do they do that? Getting sexual I mean? For real, I wonder the same thing. My only answer is - sex sells. This is a formula that never failed anyone. I hate to admit it as true, because I was trying a lot of time, to deny the fact that people think only with their genitals, but the world has defeated me. I bet if I draw a shipping drawing - any ship - it will become the most popular drawing on my profile in no time. If it has tits - twice as fast! :D

The only think I actually disagree with is that there is nothing original to be added to an existing fanbase. I’ve read fics that are better than the canon itself. They end up becoming separate, great stories that are just a pleasure to read. Here is the three of my most favorite examples:
www.fanfiction.net/s/4563224/1…
www.fanfiction.net/s/6629842/1…
www.fanfiction.net/s/4415802/1…
With a good skill there is always something great to add if you want to - it goes for writing and for drawing. It’s just that most people don’t want to.

I most likely won’t upload much original art here, or anywhere - I am paranoid. In the second something is in the net, you pretty much give permission for people to steal it. Not literally, but you can’t actually prevent it. So I rarely upload original art, and it’s usually something old and fugly. :D

 

I guess people jumped to conclusions when they attacked you, or just hated to admit you are right. See, even if I don’t draw fanart for the attention, I get it; more that I would have uploading original art. I didn’t ask for it, but it happened. It’s just a fact that cannot be denied.  So is the overflow of yaoi, ridicules fan/shipping wars and tracing. Yet I do appreciate certain fan arts, and if you search hard enough there are some jewels in the sand.  

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Jennikey23 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You convince me!!!! im starting to draw more original work right now!!! i wanna be myself not a trace-art*artist! ;)

I HAVE TONS OF FAN ART! but if i think in it... they arenīt original! im gonna find my style and draw it!!!

Thanks! you really are a special one!!!
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PrinceCaeruu Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2013
Your journal about fanart interested me and I actually agree with you on your opinions about it. I started drawing by copying the art of my favourite fandom (one of which is naruto) but as time goes by I thought "I want to create something original" something that came from my head, my own ideas. 
 I created a corpse party fanart once and it reached 1k views and over 12k downloads and I was honestly shocked. I mean, it's crappy and sloppy compared to my other works but still it generated a lot more views than my other original works (ones that I've spend a lot of time working on unlike this one). So yeah, it made me agree that doing fan art does generate you fast popularity. Today, I seldom do fan art now and only whenever I thought up of a great idea for it.

The death threat like what :iconpetraraain: said is childish. I mean you were just stating your opinions about a subject.
 I guess people really do react harsh just because you have a different opinion than them :iconshrugsplz:
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PetraRaain Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
I actually enjoyed your post about fanart. i agree with pretty much most of it. I personally enjoy fanart ESPECIALLY if it's unique and awesome, like the ones you showed at the end (the goku/frieza one made my jaw drop). I tend to get slightly annoyed when I see *crappy* fanart as described as *amazing fanart* when it mediocre looking. Oh and I totally agree aobout respecting the original character traits of the characters involved. Fir my own art, I have only done one fanart. And.. It was a Naruto fanart XD Posted in my DA but, it was in respect to a certain  very pivotal point in the first part of the series, when Sasuke makes that decision to leave and Sakura failing to stop him. I imagined what Sasuke looked like as he placed her on the bench that night. That sort of stuff I wouldn't mind doing ya know? It is the 'what we don't see, that we might see if it were drawn/animated" in  respect to the original concept of the characters. I think it is a shame that someone was childish enough to make a death threat on you though :{
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motherearth01 Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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Jalapenostark Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Fanartists way of ''copying'' art is what they're good at and they crave attention, just as anyone else. I don't know how many fanartists have read your past journal, but I'm not surprised to the wide content of fucked up comments here; you were, without bad intentions I believe, denying their way of getting attention, their bread and butter! My answear to their way of getting attention is this journal I'm reading right now, it's spot on! I just wanna add the word plagiarism, usually used in the musicindustry; learn that word fanartists!
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