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Seriously. The sheer horrifying nature of the internet has left me speechless for now. 

I live in a free country, where freedom of speech is an important matter. A long while ago, when I was still young and at school, we learned how to do a proper discussion in class. We were learned that provocation isn't that bad to get a message across, but that you should always have at least some respect for the people you discuss with, and talk with them with calmness and reason. If you lose your temper, you lose the argument. That's what I've learned. 

The reactions I got on my last journal, however, have left met both sad and speechless. Because I'm unable to grasp how people can be so downright insulting towards a fellow human being. To a member of the same website.... 

My journal wasn't meant to tell people how much I hate fanartist. Because... I don't really hate them. I just feel sad about how hard it is to get attention for original work in the sea of fanart out here, and wanted to reflect on DA's culture. I was just hoping to get some responses that told me why people thought about it otherwise. To set up a discussion about the subject. Because I was (and still am) genuinely interested in how other people think. 
I guess the subject is one of those that we shouldn't touch on DA. Even though everybody has his own opinion on the matter (and a strong one, if you ask me), expressing this leads to an instant internet flamewar.... which was far from what I intended when I posted the journal. I admit. The journal might've been a bit too provoking, I didn't expect it to evolve in a massive hate-fest. I would've thought the community was more mature than that. Guess I've been wrong.

I was originally planning to answer all posts. Either positive or negative. A death threat was the limit for me, though. Threatening someone with death because you don't agree with her on the internet? How can you ever justify something like that?

I won't be calling names. The one that send me the message knows it. And I've reported it too the staff as well. I just wanted to let people know the reason I closed comments for now. 

Aside from that... I'd like to apologize. Both to the nice people that genuinely wanted to discuss the issue with me (and are left out now) as to the people that somehow felt offended by my previous journal. All I can say is that I didn't intend to insult anyone personal, and that I'm sorry if I somehow hurt your feelings. I just never realized the impact of a simple journal.

I'm not too popular on DA. Most often my journals got only read by a few. Needless to say, I never realized there was something like a journal portal, until somebody pointed it out to me. I guess the new journal system didn't make much sense to me yet. They changed it a lot since I joined DA, years ago. I never realized that not only my limited group of watchers, and people coming by on my profile, would get the message, but everyone. I never expected it to get viral on DA. I didn't even know there was such a possibility for lesser known members. 

This will probably one of the last journals I post in public for now. And the only reason I post it public, is because it's a follow-up of the last one. 

All I want to say is that I'm just another person of flesh and blood, just like you are. I've been on the internet for years. I've seen a lot, been through a lot as well. But even I can only take things so far. I'm disappointed. I'm done with the internet for today, and I feel like I need a good writing session to get it off my mind. I wish you the best of luck.

PS: 
I see a lot of people continuing the discussion on fanart, either here or over PM. I closed the discussion for a reason. I don't feel the need to argue anymore... and tbh... it makes me tired right now. I have enough stuff on my mind already. I hope you respect me in that. To those that feel the need to keep on trolling here, expect an instant block. I'm to tired of your shit to even continue discussing it with reason. 


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Cytoscourge Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Death threat? What the hell.
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fgka Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2015  New member
I with you on your last journal. I've been on DA for a few months and all seen is alot of fan art and I kind of feel disappointed that the originally artworks are being ignored on this site.
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KomjatGirl Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
   I'm glad I've found and read your journal entries! After seeing the loads and loads of pages of bad MLP fanart (mostly done in Paint...ugh) I was worried that I was between the few people worrying over how wrong all of it is. I also like drawing characters from games/shows I've enjoyed, but without tracing, coloring, and all that yaoi bullcrap. And I've never posted it anywhere, it was more like an exercise, a study of poses, perspective and anatomy. But until the day when people would start considering fanart just a ,,warm-up", and then start doing something original, I'll try not to face-palm each time I see a new pony character drawn with the mouse.
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richardP1991 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel like doing some original work now as opposed to copying other people characters.

Thanks for posting this i'am sorry some people on the internet are simply immature and have an unhealthy obsession.

best of luck to you :)
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skittlefuck Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, really great write up you did. I've been wanting to join DeviantArt for awhile and to share my art but frankly, when people go and drool over all the shitty fan art it's not worth the time. I hope people actually start to notice some of the brilliant people on here who barely get any attention...
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alltogethernow28 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hi! I wanted to say, I feel like people shouldn't get so up in arms about peoples OPINIONS. I read the journal, and actually agreed with a lot of it. I do think you can still learn by looking at something, drawing it, and making it your own, you know? I think the best example of that is actually drawing from life though, not fan stuff. I love doing fan art, because I find it really inspiring, plus, it does get you more recognition, I'll be honest ;) but I really love your art! the end ;D
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A-n-t-e-n-o-r-A Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist

Wow, Death threats? Over an internet topic? Now that’s funny. :D Some people get really touchy about stupid shit…
Ok, I am mostly a fan art artist (according to my DA account) and I am not offended quite frankly - you make some valid points. When I started drawing fan art it was a way for me to improve drawing without, thinking much about what to draw. And since I was a fan of the stuff it was quite easy. My reasons for drawing something are pretty much said in the artist’s comments. I was surprised, though, about the amount of attention my stuff got all of a sudden. Especially the first ones, that weren’t even good. I was happy sure, but surprised nonetheless - it turns out fan art is a way to get attention after all. I welcomed it, because with it came some criticism about the way I draw, and it was useful. Though at some point I noticed, it’s about which character I draw, more than how I do it.   So sadly, I mostly agree with you, about some people.

As for the yaoi stuff, I started from hating it, to simply ignoring it. It’s their business what they draw, but I know I’ll never understand it. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with gay people, but Yaoi is far from anything realistic, as far as homo (or hetero) relationship goes. Granted, some of those Yaoi stuff are drawn pretty damn well, damn it!  

Why do they do that? Getting sexual I mean? For real, I wonder the same thing. My only answer is - sex sells. This is a formula that never failed anyone. I hate to admit it as true, because I was trying a lot of time, to deny the fact that people think only with their genitals, but the world has defeated me. I bet if I draw a shipping drawing - any ship - it will become the most popular drawing on my profile in no time. If it has tits - twice as fast! :D

The only think I actually disagree with is that there is nothing original to be added to an existing fanbase. I’ve read fics that are better than the canon itself. They end up becoming separate, great stories that are just a pleasure to read. Here is the three of my most favorite examples:
www.fanfiction.net/s/4563224/1…
www.fanfiction.net/s/6629842/1…
www.fanfiction.net/s/4415802/1…
With a good skill there is always something great to add if you want to - it goes for writing and for drawing. It’s just that most people don’t want to.

I most likely won’t upload much original art here, or anywhere - I am paranoid. In the second something is in the net, you pretty much give permission for people to steal it. Not literally, but you can’t actually prevent it. So I rarely upload original art, and it’s usually something old and fugly. :D

 

I guess people jumped to conclusions when they attacked you, or just hated to admit you are right. See, even if I don’t draw fanart for the attention, I get it; more that I would have uploading original art. I didn’t ask for it, but it happened. It’s just a fact that cannot be denied.  So is the overflow of yaoi, ridicules fan/shipping wars and tracing. Yet I do appreciate certain fan arts, and if you search hard enough there are some jewels in the sand.  

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LA--RANA Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Student General Artist
You convince me!!!! im starting to draw more original work right now!!! i wanna be myself not a trace-art*artist! ;)

I HAVE TONS OF FAN ART! but if i think in it... they arenīt original! im gonna find my style and draw it!!!

Thanks! you really are a special one!!!
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PrinceCaeruu Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2013
Your journal about fanart interested me and I actually agree with you on your opinions about it. I started drawing by copying the art of my favourite fandom (one of which is naruto) but as time goes by I thought "I want to create something original" something that came from my head, my own ideas. 
 I created a corpse party fanart once and it reached 1k views and over 12k downloads and I was honestly shocked. I mean, it's crappy and sloppy compared to my other works but still it generated a lot more views than my other original works (ones that I've spend a lot of time working on unlike this one). So yeah, it made me agree that doing fan art does generate you fast popularity. Today, I seldom do fan art now and only whenever I thought up of a great idea for it.

The death threat like what :iconpetraraain: said is childish. I mean you were just stating your opinions about a subject.
 I guess people really do react harsh just because you have a different opinion than them :iconshrugsplz:
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PetraRaain Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
I actually enjoyed your post about fanart. i agree with pretty much most of it. I personally enjoy fanart ESPECIALLY if it's unique and awesome, like the ones you showed at the end (the goku/frieza one made my jaw drop). I tend to get slightly annoyed when I see *crappy* fanart as described as *amazing fanart* when it mediocre looking. Oh and I totally agree aobout respecting the original character traits of the characters involved. Fir my own art, I have only done one fanart. And.. It was a Naruto fanart XD Posted in my DA but, it was in respect to a certain  very pivotal point in the first part of the series, when Sasuke makes that decision to leave and Sakura failing to stop him. I imagined what Sasuke looked like as he placed her on the bench that night. That sort of stuff I wouldn't mind doing ya know? It is the 'what we don't see, that we might see if it were drawn/animated" in  respect to the original concept of the characters. I think it is a shame that someone was childish enough to make a death threat on you though :{
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motherearth01 Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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Jalapenostark Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Fanartists way of ''copying'' art is what they're good at and they crave attention, just as anyone else. I don't know how many fanartists have read your past journal, but I'm not surprised to the wide content of fucked up comments here; you were, without bad intentions I believe, denying their way of getting attention, their bread and butter! My answear to their way of getting attention is this journal I'm reading right now, it's spot on! I just wanna add the word plagiarism, usually used in the musicindustry; learn that word fanartists!
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Gruuumsh Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013
After receiving your llama I looked at your page, then at your journals... and got surprised by you adventure on fanart journal. This subject is one of those I've had a thought on this last year and I also published a journal on my DA account and launched a debate in the group GenerationManfra about this very subject.. with a tone sometimes worse than yours. Certainly the language used was for something (they are written in french), but I've not experienced the same sort of reaction.

Your journal on the subject is just excellent and I am very happy to have read it. I wish you much better impact in the future, as nobody deserves such reactions, even the worse provocative idiot.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well... I guess that's the kind of reaction you can expect here when a journal goes viral. Then the haters are going to come around and ruin everything.
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Sky-C Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Student General Artist
I read your other journal before coming here....I did see a lot of truth in it (I have very similar feelings and resentments) and I also saw how others could be bothered by it. I personally agree with you, as I an artist who doesn't do tons of fanart (though my avatar is fan art, lol) and has less than 30 watchers. (That's my fault, I don't submit my art to many groups, so less see my art)

I remembered I submitted a sloppy but kinda funny fan art to a group, and it became the most popular of my art even though it didn't really deserve it..

I'm sorry that people have treated you that way :(
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Mesocyclonegirl Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2013
I have so little watchers, and I do a lot of fanart. Almost all fanart. (tear) I am thinking of giving up on DA soon.
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FrankRT Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Good God, I... I feel sorry for you. :(
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staarpiece Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Everyones entitled to their own opinion and the freedom of speech. I know some people can really be overly-sensitive about that kind of stuff but to go so far as a death threat is just crazy. And to be honest you made some pretty valid points in that journal. Sorry you had to deal with such a shitstorm just for posting your opinion. Oh and your original art is amazing by the way! I hope you continue to pave the way for other artists who make original art
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SunsetSprite Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You know they think? They think just because they're on the internet and no one can find them , (most of the time), they can spit all these crap comments at everything and get away with it. >_> Why? My sister went through the same thing. She drew some thing and people hated her because she drew it 'the wrong way'...Apparently. Also it happened to one of my friends. >_> I will never understand this world. So yeah...I understand where you're coming from.
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BumpyTheShroom Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Professional General Artist
People can be a mess sometimes. It sucks when you get attacked by the psychos, I've met plenty, but I'm glad to see your coments operational again! :D Your work is lovely, and it's nice to be able to communicate with you when something sparks my brain.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks a lot for your support :)
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BumpyTheShroom Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
No problem! :meow:
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mandaIa Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just ignore trolls and butthurt people. Don't even reply to them. After all, it's your opinion, and they can't change it.
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Lemonsparkles100 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
lol
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Lemonsparkles100 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
lol
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Lemonsparkles100 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
lol
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Lemonsparkles100 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
lol
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Herebellama Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I don't watch you. This journal caught my eye through the portal.
I also know nothing about you, but reading this I sympathize truly. :(
I even agree with you on the last topic - which shall not be named. In fact I remember :iconexileden: doing a similar journal last year or so.
Don't pull your journals from the public entirely forever (I understand the need for a break).
It's what they want to to do is break down and hide. Be strong in yourself and remember there were people genuinely interested in what you had to say. :)
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for the support :)
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Herebellama Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
No problem. :)
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The-Artist-64 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha! Walk in the park to me. I'm always insulted. XD (Everywhere. :()

I do, however understand why you would close comments.
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EPlTAPH Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Are you new here or something

deviantArt is home to the most cancerous of fanbases. "Insult" their fanart and of course they'll all flip shit. A death threat over the internet is commonplace, though they are not to be taken seriously usually.

So what if there's backlash? Go ahead and speak freely as you wish about your distaste for fan art. Sure, some assholes will come along with it but there will be assholes anywhere you go.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've actually had over 10 years experience on the internet, including moderation of some large messageboards. Yet I've never came across something this bad. It's not that I'm feeling really threatened. I realize that it's probably a 13 year old that is frustrated as hell... yet it is where I draw the line. People have to draw the line somewhere. And when a death threat isn't the limit... then what is? Do I have to wait until they find out where I live? Until they mailbomb me or hack my computer?

I was initially shocked about the backlash, because I've never experienced a journal going viral like that. I've written journals before... but never experienced this kind of hostility on the internet. But I guess being well known has it's downsides as well. And I need to learn how to deal with that as well.
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EPlTAPH Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
I don't know what drawing the line will do. A hacking isn't difficult to counteract if you prepare beforehand. In a medium as abstract as the internet, there isn't much a person can do. I do not know how you could possibly go over ten years without experiencing behaviour like this online.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A hacking isn't difficult to counteract if you prepare beforehand
I know. And nobody with at least a bit of common sense is gonna hack a programmer anyway. But it's just one of the examples

I do not know how you could possibly go over ten years without experiencing behaviour like this online
Staying out of the places full of idiots, I guess 
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EPlTAPH Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
STaying out of the places full of idiots, I guess
But, deviantArt
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The heavy sarcasm was fully intended here
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EPlTAPH Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Ah. Lol.
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xfe Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
:noes:

I read most of your journal (I kind of skimmed the bottom because it's two in the morning and the only thing keeping me awake right now is the sugar of a Wild Cherry Pepsi), and I have to say that I really do agree with pretty much all of it. I tend to shy away from fanart too, unless it's a commission or something. I'm actually scared to completely butcher a character, lol.

I can't say I'm surprised that someone threw you a death threat, but it was certainly way off the deep end on their part. I know what it feels like to be discouraged from expressing your opinions when people freak out all over you. If you decide to keep things to yourself from now on, then screw everyone else; they're your opinions and the disrespectful scum of the world don't deserve them. But if you ever wanna come out and speak your mind about something, I do know one thing - the only people whose words are worth more than donkey waste are those who respect your opinion, whether they agree or not.

But I think all of us will go over the moon with outrage about at least one thing we see on the internet, and we will all probably say things we aren't necessarily proud of. So I think it's cool that you handled those negative people so maturely. It's better to do that than spew more outrage, lol.

And I'm gonna end this here before I say something excessively dumb.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If people think internet hate is going to discourage me on the long term, then they are so wrong. The reason I closed comments was because I wanted to make a statement that I don't accept everything that's thrown to me... especially not death treats. I'm on the internet to have discussions. I'm open minded, willing to discuss things in a normal way, but I'm not here to let myself be downward insulted. Posting this, and closing comments on the original post, was because I wanted people to think about what actually happened here, and about their own behavior on the internet. 
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Vinyl8 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've stumbled upon this on my adventures throughout the Internet, and I disappointed that people would be so disrespectful but not surprised. On the Internet, people tend to think that they can just say and do whatever they want because "it's the Internet" and "no one will know it's me." A very ridiculous notion. Behind every comment, video, drawing, poem, whatever there is a person. Just because you can't see someone doesn't mean you can be horrible to them.

I completely agree with everything you said in your other journal. It's a good message. Most people just probably read the title and skimmed and went "ARG! SO WRONG!!"

Anyway, I'm glad that you handled this with such maturity, and stuck to your views to the end, while still being respectful towards others.
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LadyKylin Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
This brings to mind two of my favorite quotes. People are crazy this explaisn everything. and Never argue with a fool, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experince.

The internet is probably wierdest place in the world. And the easiest place to offened people. People who in general just need to chill.
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scream-of-existence Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
I find it a bit pathetic that I had to stumble upon your journal on some artist confessions tumblr and see people still complaining about it without understanding what you actually said. I wanted to comment on your journal but seeing how it has escalated, I'll just say I agree with you. It's really disappointing you can't discuss something without having immature people sending you stupid messages.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So it even went to tumblr?
Ugh... I can't believe how stupid some people are. 
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scream-of-existence Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
Yeah, it's just sad. ._.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I guess some people just need a high five... with a chair.... in their face....
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XhedishX Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I read part of you fan art journal and honestly I agree with you even if I do like to make fan art myself every now and than, I took no offense to it at all and thought you had valid points but to cop that type of response for something so simple is shocking. Either way I hope it calms down for you and sorry you have had to get such negativity.
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walinger Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can't even comprehend how people cannot simply understand ones opinion. They retaliate needlessly and it often makes me sick. I want you to stay strong and my only advice is actually easier than people make it, ignore them. What can they do? If they threaten you on the internet, then who cares!? It's most likely a twelve year old kid who thinks he is big on the internet and says he has state of the art tracking devices and possesses the ability to find you, but they don't. They're nothing in this world, your world. Because the world for you is what you make it an I hope you make it worthwhile.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is not about being scared of a threat. This is about sending a message. About saying that there is a limit to what you can say... even though it is on the internet. About making people think about what happens on the internet every day. And making them think about their own behavior as well.
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walinger Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Still, I thought I was wise at the time =p
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