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Here's an average summary of a private message that I receive on a weekly basis:

Hello,
I just came by your profile and saw your art, and was very impressed. I think you have a very nice art style. Now I'm working on this project. It's called <project>. It's an awesome story about <subject>. I'm currently writing the script for it, but I'm planning to make a visual novel. I can't tell too much about the story, since I don't want it to be copied, but it's going to be really cool. The point is; I need illustrators. I'm an excellent writer, but I can't do illustration at all. And therefore, I wanted to ask for your help. I need about 60 pages illustrated and colored. Would you work together with me on this one? I don't have any money to spend, as I'm not an established writer yet. But when the visual novel gets published, you can get a percentage of my profit.
With kind regards,
Person X

Well... let me translate this for you.

This Person X is a writer. An excellent one, if you have to believe his statement. He came to my profile, and was very impressed with my art. But as there are at least 20 other names in the CC, I probably wasn't the only one artist that he was impressed by. And since the message lacks a personal reference, it's highly assumed that he send that same message to about a hundred of other artists... in the hope that somebody --anybody-- picks up his illustration request.

He says he is an excellent writer, yet his gallery doesn't show a single piece of writing. I basically have no idea what this project is about, and he ain't gonna tell me either. He's so damn afraid that someone copies his oh-so-awesome plot line, that he even refused to give a small summary. But seeing a gallery full of below-average-level illustrated fanart, and his age being about 15 years old, I assume this 'excellent writing' is either the next piece of anime fanfic, or just another generic anime-based story with characters whose look is probably the only awesome thing about them. Don't get me wrong. Nothing wrong with anime. I watch it a lot. But good luck if you think you're gonna sell a manga-styled visual novel with a plot that looks like it's ripped from just a generic anime. It's not gonna happen.

He wants 60 pages illustrated and colored. That's quite a lot, if you ask me. And I might be a slow illustrator (really, I am), but drawing and coloring a single page is gonna cost me at least a few hours. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. There's a reason why most Japanese manga's are in black and white. Not only to save on printing costs, but also to increase production speed. Because.... coloring takes time! A whole damn lot of time!

Last but not least. The costs. Of course Person X has no money. No wonder. He's a 15 years old kid that probably never had a job and haven't got anything published either. Yes, this an assumption. But seeing he hasn't taken into account how much money printing and shipping costs (it really is expensive), and the fact that he hasn't listed a single plan how to actually promote and market this thing, makes me think that he gave only little thought to that subject. Hence, I think he's inexperienced.

Well... let's be honest. 
These things can be fun and flattering once in a while. But getting them on a weekly basis is annoying the shit out of me.

Why? Because I think it's damn arrogant to go around artists, beg them if they can do hours of hard work for free, just to see your project illustrated. And then get angry if an artists turns their offer down. I've seen so much of this already, that it makes me sick.

First of all, I'm not a professional illustrator. I might have decent artwork quality, but I'm not a professional in the sense that I illustrate for money. I have health issues. I have a full-time job that is demanding enough already. Luckily I earn good money by doing that job, so I don't need the extra money from art commissions. I have the freedom to spend my free time however I want, by illustrating whatever the heck I want, and I'd like to keep it that way. One look at my profile front page would've learned you so. Reading my FAQ (the link is also posted at my homepage) would learn you the reason why. So why would anyone even bother sending me that kind of message? Are they that arrogant to think that their request could change my mind on the entire subject?

But let's say that I took commissions. That I did do art for money. They send me a request for illustrating and coloring 60 pages. Let's say you work real fast (I don't, but let's say you do) and you finish one page in about 4 hours. That takes 60 x 4 = 240 hours. On a full-time job, I work 40 hours a week. That means 6 weeks I could've been working. I could've earned 1.5 monthly salary at an average job during that time. And this isn't even a realistic expectation. If there is one thing that I learned from freelancing, is that you will never complete a project in the minimum time. Mostly because of the customer. They haven't got their source material together, they want changes, they want meetings... and whatever. In the early years, a freelance colleague once learned me that in order to guess a good time estimate, you need to take the minimum time required to get the job done, and multiply that by 1.5. And from years of experience in the web industry, I can say that way of estimating is quite correct. So yeah... that makes 9 weeks of my life I could've spend earning money on a regular job. 
To do the math; 9 weeks = 360 hours. Apply that to the hourly minimum wage of $10.99 in the Netherlands (where I live) and this whole project would be worth $3956. And that's only minimum wage. Yeah... we're talking about real money here.

And that's exactly the point I want to make. Because Person X has no money. He expects me to do $3956 worth of work to do for free. And maybe, if he's selling enough... I would get some of his money. MAYBE!
Well... let's do some more math here. Let's say the average full color manga is about $10. That means he has to sell 396 of those books to pay my costs. Not his, not the printing costs, not the shipping costs. No, he needs to sell 396 copies alone for me to get even.
Anyone with realistic expectations knows that that is never gonna happen. Not by a 15 year old kid, a book that has a generic anime plot line, and without a decent marketing plan. It's doomed to fail. Even if I illustrate his entire book, he might sell a few copy's to friends and family. But he ain't gonna sell anywhere over 50 copies. And yeah... I've talked to enough artists at anime conventions to know the average selling rate for original art. Unless you already have a massive fanbase and a solid marketing plan, you will be having a hard time to get even with the printing costs alone.

All in all, this is a selfish request from a kid that wants to see his concept illustrated. 
The sad truth is... it's not only kids I get those kind of requests from. I can forgive a kid for not knowing how the world works. But many of those requests where from people that were over 20 years old. People that I suppose have jobs and have an idea of how hard is it to pay their bills. People that willingly send out these requests to lure hard working artists into this kind of traps. They might be delusional about their ideas being a success, but most of them just want to see their concept illustrated, and can't be bothered about other people spending a whole damn lot of time on it.
Even many people from the game industry nowadays go to DeviantArt in order to e-mail artists to work for them on shady contracts. I'm talking about well paid recruiters from game company's that contact art students. Those students work for free, just to hope making something that's good for their portfolio's. In the hope they will ever get a small percentage of money from a game that will never sell, or even never see the light of day. And that's the sad truth.

To be honest; getting this kind of selfish requests on a weekly basis, makes me sick.
I have a project that I work on myself. I am a writer myself. And when I wanted my art illustrated, I learned myself how to draw in order to make illustrations for my concept. Sure. I perfectly understand not everybody is capable of doing that. But if you want people to help you out, then pay them. And if you don't have the money, then set up a solid marketing plan and get your money via crowd funding. Dragging others into your selfish issues, should never be an option!

So from now on, I will send all people that send me those kind of requests, to this article. 
That will perfectly explain them why I refuse this kind of requests, and what kind of selfish leeches they actually are.
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bluefoxycat Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I wanted a request, I'd just ask for a quick sketch on MS Paint that I can easily copy and paste, then do the lineart and colour in easily.

There's a reason why I don't take requests. I'm not exactly the best person to do them, as I have to do a Daily Art Spam on here to keep active, and the fact that I generally chat to other people.

I'm doing a comic for a friendly acquaintance, but that's generally what I'll do.
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TheDarkXelloss Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've been making stories in my mind since i was 13, my characters have grown with me, so I doubt anyone else can reflect them the way I can since I'm the one who knows every aspect of them, and it would be incredibly selfish to ask another person to do it in my place, that's why I've been working to improve both my writing and drawing skills.

It's amazing that there's people who think someone can take such a big amount of their time to do something they won't even get paid for! you're right, that's so selfish...
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Skargrubdamek Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014
I think it's guud ta deny such requests, since ya probably ain't seeing a penny from all dat work. Only a real sodding Git would ask a ting like dat, trying ta
be all sneaky like. Have myself written a few books, would love ta have nice flashy pictures made fer dem. But me ain't got da cash fer such an endeavor.
As such me feels it's betta ta just let it be, rather than be all sneaky like and bully sum artist ta make dem flashy pics for me.

Hope me typing ain't bothering anyone, me writes dis way when I'm bored (and cause 40k Space Orks speak like that).
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Dark-Momento-Mori Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I have had this problem too though not on the same scale as you. I am a comic artist and writer so I've gotten a bunch of requests to draw pages for other people's series after they see my page art. On a good note, many of the them offer payment besides any profits that come the end product. Only one was in an acceptable price range though.
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sugomon Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And this is exactly why I'm personally going through all of the hard work to learn how to draw.

"I can't draw," I used to say. "I just can't."

Then I realized that I was the only one who truly knew my characters - truly knew their personality and what they thought and felt. And I know that, when I draw my characters, I can portray a heck of a lot more emotion than anyone else could, because I know them through and through, and because I know exactly what I want. I've been told that one of my strong points (I'm still inexperienced) is emotional portrayal. The more that I drew my characters, the more that I realized that, even if I lacked the technical drawing skills, I could draw them better than anyone. So now I'm illustrating my own stuff, because it makes me feel satisfied. And because I've gotten a little stingy about my characters... I probably will never buy (or heck, even draw) a commission... >_<

But anyway - favorited.
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Mad-Mutt Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Student General Artist
This might sound kind of strange, but I'm even kind of envious that people are trying to leech off of you, yeah I know that's messed up. Yes, that kid was a jerk and if I was in your shoes I would have said no also. I can't really say I know how you feel, but I kind of wish I could. Your work being so respected and liked that people want to try and fail at leeching off of you seems like a good problem to have. I'm sure that if I was in your shoes that wouldn't be the case, I'm just in a bit of an envious mood right now, sorry. 
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can imagine the position you're in.
When I was less known (and my art wasn't that good) I used to envy the people that gained commissions... even though they didn't get paid a lot. 
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Junipers-Knot Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
Favorited.  Clap Jumping High-Five - NaNoEmo Day 11 
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Beth-Z Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014   General Artist
THANK YOU! I'm late in reading this, but I'm so glad that someone put this out here! Actually... I had an offer like this once, two or three years ago... except, for some reason, the person didn't think I actually kept up with their social sites (i.e., blog), and I found out that this person was going to post all the pages and concept art... and not give me a single ounce of credit. Nope. She posted, clear as day, on her personal blog that everything was done by herself - art, story, and all. She claimed herself to be an extraordinary writer and passing artist. My art obviously isn't as great or wonderful as yours and the other amazing artists on here (and it looked like a crap, when I look back on my old art), but I wasn't going to put up with that - art is heart.

I pulled out right then and there. Thankfully, I hadn't shown her the artwork I completed - so I saved myself some heartache.... Some.
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RyotNytefall Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
this in a Nutshell "Hey, I have an idea and I think it's an amazing idea, because it's mine of course! Anyways, it requires lots of work, what if you do all the work and, if it works out, I may even share profits with you?!?"

News flash - Slavery is officially over! So... thanks, but no thanks!

Seriously these people, these lurkers, work vampires or whatever would be comical if they weren't tragical, to bad the world is full of people like that...

Now this is was a penniless 15 year old, but imagine, if you were a teenage artist with lots of talent and no job and he was some company owner and he'd actually offer you some money and you'd accept, you wouldn't be paid as much as you should but that's better than nothing, that's basically why the world economy is so screwed up...
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Junipers-Knot Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
[Quote]News flash - Slavery is officially over! So... thanks, but no thanks!

Seriously these people, these lurkers, work vampires or whatever would be comical if they weren't tragical, to bad the world is full of people like that...[/Quote}

highfive Ker-Fives :relapsefive: high fivee Jumping High-Five - NaNoEmo Day 11 
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know that is happening as well. And I know that is one of the reasons the art market is so messed up nowadays.
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LoLnOtNoRmAl Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014  Student General Artist
What a shame that people have succumbed to this level. My faith in humanity is gone.
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NYAN-puu Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014   General Artist
I read the first half of this, but believe it or not this has happened to me before. 
Granted I was a bit more active back then, but they offered about the same thing and they had written a couple chapters.
I did like two drawings and stopped there, it wasn't like comic pages but a similar request.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You might just be one of those people that got the same request XD
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NYAN-puu Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014   General Artist
Yeahhhhh. was this a recent thing?
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It was a while ago already ^^
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mrdouggers144 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Really sorry to hear about people doing this.
I write myself, but I know I'm strapped for cash if I wish for illustrators, hence I've decided these past two years to get my art to a high enough standard to illustrate it myself which would be a very rewarding achievement for me :D 
Having an artist for a sister, I understand how frustrating it is to have someone commission you for artwork then are not willing to pay for what its worth - someone my aunt knew wanted some paintings for his house, so was willing to pay 50 for my sister to do it. BUT, he did not take into consideration that 50 didn't quite cover what my sis needed to do the paintings, as the acrylics she uses are very expensive and the price of the canvases required was more than what he paid. To add insult to injury, he decided he only wanted two of them out of the 6 he had commissioned! 
Needless to say, my sister was beyond annoyed and upset at this, and it put her off painting for about two years, and shes only just taken it up again.

Some people can be massive jerks sometimes.
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RyotNytefall Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That's why I quit working in the area (I graduated in graphic design), I absolutely hate working my a** off for a project then the boss looks and decides it's not what he wants and I have to redoo the whole project... not to mention the payments, seriously I'm not even go there...
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mrdouggers144 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Its people being jerks and bullies - if i was comissioning something, I would pay whatever it takes for the artist to be able to complete the work and a little extra to help them along as freelance art like my sis does sometimes doesn't pay well at all as a main career (shes doing post grad children's nursing at kings and draws as more of a hobby now)
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Osube Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014
I couldn't agree more to this...unfortunate that artists of any kind are so frequently preyed upon.
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ptrbt70 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
hear hear ;-)
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CoUmbi Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow my mind just imploded from so many words lol but jeez I know what u mean coloring takes centuries and 60 pages?! WTF?! I'm laughing my ass off right now because I'd this 15 year old who thinks he can sell over 50 copies
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Kamisama-Akita Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Student General Artist
Sometimes, they aren't looking for your illustrations only. They want to make you draw the entire thing and then take it and pass it off as their own! I've heard that happen with a lot of manga writers...
:frustrated: Revamp 
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well... even if they did credit you... it would be horrible enough already
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CraftyMaelyss Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Student Artisan Crafter
OR you could simply link them to this:
that'd be my response lmao
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Junipers-Knot Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014
If you're interested in illustrating for visual novels, you can learn more here:


You can join my website here for progress updates on the VN I'm making:


Our current project is an unofficial fangame sequel to Juniper's Knot (junipersknot.dischan.org/)
When we release a demo of the first arc, I'll give the link to DamaiMikaz and post it here too so you guys can all enjoy it (yes, it's NON-COMMERCIAL. FREE! FREEEEE!)
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Junipers-Knot Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014
This was so much fun to read...
And I never revealed it, but I'm actually the writer of a Visual Novel. Our team has a programmer, 2 background artists, 1 character artist and a musician (that makes 6 including me I think.)
Let me tell you, to all who lazily claim "Now I'm working on this project. It's called <project>. It's an awesome story about <subject>. I'm currently writing the script for it, but I'm planning to make a visual novel..." 

    -Did you know that you needed 3600 words (6 FULL A4 pages with 12 FONT) for 1 hour of VN gameplay? Note that most commercial VN's are 30+ hours long.
    -Did you know that you need a solid background in python to get anywhere near GUI design?
    -Did you know that you need to combat countless poachers stinging you with legal details before you are anywhere near releasing your novel?
    -Did you know that most commercial VN's have less than 20 backgrounds, MAX? 60?! Seriously?! Just that shows...urmmm.... Rage 

But that aside, you need to realize that a Visual Novel depends 80% on the storyline. Even if your artworks are dismal and the music is petrid, you can at least publish it into a book if you have a nice and intriguing story. Anything worth being made into a visual novel should also qualify for a real novel. 

[Rant] ...and...60 colored artworks is just...urmmm...Again, I don't even know what to say to that, becuz it takes my artists 3~4 business days to get 1 sprite or landscape done (often takes longer because they have something called private life.) If you have the ambition and will to sustain your project for 240 days (min 4 months,) then you probably won't be reluctant to reveal your supposed-to-be awesome plot. Why? It's because you learn that sharing enriches your plot more and more, especially since different perspectives increase the flavor and diversity. [/rant]
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devilschild12345 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Student
hahah i think you made this a bit to long but i really liked it and i totally agree with everything you said =P
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Trencher7809 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Oh my God! This HAD to be written. I can't describe how many times I've gone onto the projects forum looking to do a commission and this stuff came up! How many times have people signed onto these stupid things?
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ReaperArtist12 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
WHOA O__O. I'm sorry to hear that this has been happening to you! I mean, 60 PAGES?!? It took me hours to do 20 (NOT COLORED MIND YOU), and not all in one day! It takes 20-30 minutes for me to do 1! These leeches need to look up some tutorials and do this stuff FOR THEMSELVES. UNBELIEVABLE! BTW, you're work IS PHENOMENAL ( better than I'll ever be :( ) Keep it up :) 
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah... they asked me.
And it wasn't by far the most awful thing I've gotten.
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HappyHippy70 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
I understand completely sweetie it can get very annoying getting these sort of requests even from friends and family , it is hard enough to establish yourself without others not doing the time for themselves . Blessings to you from the wee artist <3
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zylbat Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014
is this an example of the 'free marketplace' with regard to world trade one hears about so often?
and you may have no idea if your hard work ends up on T shirts or coasters or mugs somewhere!
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AkUmA-987 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Student Writer
Correction. These people are quite annoying, and it's not worth it. Although, you can also teach him to draw and illustrate his project himself. A few people had helped me greatly once in fixing my drawing and writing skill (I'm also a writer myself, but younger [12 years old]). If they are visiting this journal too, I thank them.


~ Shadowheart the Forsaken

(p.s. pls like this facebook page: Shadowheart the Forsaken
Add me: Lester June Ramirez Manzano)
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Laxmi-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
wow ! I get some times some kinda weird notes.It's really disappointing,and getting often is.... terrible !
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Weirdness-Unlimited Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I suppose I was about six years old when I realized the value of a dollar, that nobody knows me, that nobody likes what I do, and nobody gives a shit. It's a mentality that sounds really bad, really self destructive, and really depressing but it's not I tell you. The moral is that I'm going to have to do it myself and I'm going to have to do things because it makes me happy, not because I want to be famous or make a profit... If for whatever reason down the road if something I do/draw/write develops a little fan-base then I might start shelling out a little cash to market the thing, but I'm not counting on that or other people to make that happen.

  I figured out early on that if I want anything to get done then I am going to have to carry the whole damn project on my back, or have the funds and the legal clout to have other people do it and get payed for it. I'm cheap, I don't like spending money on people that have their own ideals/preferences/conditions so I learned how to do the things I will need to do if I want something done. I occasionally write short stories and I learned how to bind books because I wanted a copy of my own story on the shelf, I wanted to see it done and I did. I learned how to put together comic panels and do storyboards, I can apply that to a web comic one day if I feel like it. I'm sorry, anybody can learn how to draw because there really isn't a such thing as born talent. Some people are just better at learning a specific thing than others. I suck at math, but I can learn how to better solve complex problems. You are beautifully talented at math no body said ever. What makes illustration any different; drawing human anatomy for example: it is just as complex and exact a science. The internet is an endless resource for instruction, they can learn.
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Weirdness-Unlimited Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
On a shorter note: basically I'm in agreement with the exception of that myth that some people aren't capable of illustrating. Anyone can learn to draw given the instruction and determination to do it, that is all. If they don't have the cash to shell out then they will have to do it all on their own and frankly that way they can control every stage of production that way. I've always preferred complete control in the creative process for my own writing/comic making.
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emortalcoil Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
A music teacher once told me that anybody can make music....it's simply that the style of music they make may not be the sort they want to be associated with.  And I think the same could be said for any creative endeavor such as writing or drawing.  

I once received a request for embroidery but turned the request down (I'm an amateur and for the time being prefer to stay that way).  This person was polite about it.  Sometimes I think most people today have no clue as to how much time is required to create something that looks good.
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Weirdness-Unlimited Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Absolutely. I'd like to apologies about how harsh I might have sounded when I wrote the above statements, see I have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth, however you are right and that was the point of the journal entry we are opinion dumping on currently, it takes money and time to get major projects done and truth be told money and time are one in the same. Everything takes time, work, and real effort, but nothing gained from either or all of those three creative ingredients is for free unless you have have managed to swindle someone blind.
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emortalcoil Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
No need to apologize.  I understand the frustration (especially if the person making the request is being ill mannered about it).  Much of my embroidery and weaving is donated to charity auctions, but sometimes the price the items go for is disappointingly low and I find myself wondering whether what I made was really that bad or whether the people bidding have any real appreciation for what went into making that piece.
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Weirdness-Unlimited Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's a world of "I want it cheap and I want it now." Sadly no one knows how much work goes into something unless they have made something similar before. Today people pay for a brand name, not really the clothing. People assume everything is easy to make because most everything we buy at a retail store is from a production line. Hand crafting is very different. I work in leathers, beads, and doll crafting, all of that takes time, supplies and sore hands. I'm working on a 7 inch tall ball jointed thing right now and so far I would guess that Ive put almost 90 hours into it? All I have to show for 90-100 hours of work is the bare bones of the item and very rough jointing. It will take another 100 hours of work or more before I'm willing to show this guy to anybody and god knows how much longer before I'm willing to display it. I'm not going to try and guess how many hours it will take to design and fabricate a set of clothes for it. You know, I think I may put together a DA group for crafters, we need a place to show off and tell people how long it took to build this or that or what what into it. I know how I am, I turn into a hermit when I have a project, no one sees what happens behind the curtain.
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emortalcoil Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The group search here on DA is not the easiest to use, but I found a couple of groups you might like:


I seem to recall there's a specific group for leather work on DA somewhere but I can't seem to find it right now.  "madeby-me" (madeby-me.deviantart.com/)  seems to be a pretty inclusive group that would include leather work.
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TheImaginationNexus Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Alleluia, Alleluia. Nothing like this has ever happened to me, but good for you for standing up to them and calling them what they are. I can understand why they'd want someone to do it, because everyone likes seeing their creation come to life in an art style. But frankly, it isn't that hard to pick up a learn-to-draw book and do it yourself.


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Ranggiana Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As the wise word of Stephen Silver would say: "Charge them money/compensation if they demand that much work from you. Because they take your personal times."
Good on you Mikaz for standing up to this kind of behavior. :)
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Light-Lein Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agree! Its good to respect people for the work they do! You can't expect anyone to work all free for you especially when not even knowing this person.. and man, thats really a looooot of work. I don't even draw 60 drawings per year 
I think.. I hope you can open the eyes of some of those 'leeches' by showing this article. Maybe they finally understand. Though I think the arrogance of some persons will never change :S.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Either that... or I can open the eyes of all those artists that still do this kind of jobs for free :)
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RyanPowers Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist

We live in a culture of instant gratification.  People want something for nothing, and many of them have such unwarrantedly high opinions of themselves or their own skills that they think random strangers will want to help them out for free because they're just so awesome.  It's not that difficult to convince yourself that you're a good writer when you really aren't.  These people need to realize that, no, what you were told in elementary school was not true - you are not special just because you were born, and nobody is obligated to give a shit about you without you doing something beforehand to prove that you're worth their time.  Simply being alive doesn't make you awesome; you have to earn that status through hard work, self improvement, and gaining prominence in the industry.

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Junipers-Knot Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014
Can I quote this as my forum signature please? :happybounce: 
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RyanPowers Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sure.  I didn't know the DeviantArt forum allowed for signatures.
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