However, I HAVE discovered that the Chinese art books are better that the English ones. They actually go into more detail about why the guidelines look like this, and what they should not look like, and how to avoid these kinds of stuff, etc. And the best thing was, my uncle gave them to me, so I "technically" got it for free!
But I believe that art books are actually just telling you the fundamentals. You can't develop your own style just by copying a book from cover to cover. Maybe they're only good for beginners, when they're still in the "copy until I find my own style" stage. ^^
(If you want to see what's inside the document, I can copy it/ take a picture of it. It's not that much).
Thank you very much
Learning from tutorials is great but if you don't have any one to one..I'll never know if I'm terrible or great. I think I'm terrible, but people tell me I'm great. Then some other people tell me I need to work on some stuff, which is good, I knew that, and provide the resources, and I love it!
Anyway, rant over. haha
Anywho, I know I first got into art when I bought Chris Hart Book (one of the Kids' Draw books) from a book fair in 4th grade. That's also when I found out about Mark Crilley. After drawing for several years, I'll look back at the now two books I bought and some of my old drawings from the Chris Hart Kids Draw, and I shake my head. I've kinda strewn away from that style. I'm still a minor, and I still like the design of his books. But the art style in the older books is rather chibi-ish and big headed to me. But back then, that's what I wanted to draw.
Now, Harts newer books, and more mature and in-depth books, like "Drawing Fantastic Furries" and "Anime Mania" are very well made. They show good realistic-ish proportions in an anime style. However, when I look in the first few pages, by the copyrights and whatnot, I see the contributing artists' column. In the Anime Mania one, it points out what pictures on what pages, which I really like. What most likely happened is that he asked some of his art buddies to send some drawings that fit a certain criteria, and then he drew the step-by-step parts.
As long as he credits the people, and payed them if that's what the contract said, then I really don't mind the fact that he didn't draw them.
Mark Crilleys art style is another one that I really like, and from both his and Chris Hart's, I felt I have improved my art. It's certainly not as good as many, but it's much better than what is used to be! When I first started drawing in a manga style, it looked terrible.
The guidelines that I learned to use are pretty much just the simple cross on the head, bending to the curvature of the face, and I've seen that a lot in his newer books.
I honestly think his older books are hardly as good as his new books, and Mark Crilley's book, although I've yet to buy it, it looks well done and pretty good to me.
(Gee, I just realized that I've blabbered on about a smaller part of your rant )
Now, tutorials, in my opinion, should give an idea and show a way of doing things, but online ones should be like how the companies do it- if it's good enough to merit a fee, then they should have previews. If it's not, then unless it shows a really good idea, then free on the internet is the way to go.
I think dA is great for great people but particularly perfect for beginners, and i say this by experience, because we can learn so much in here. there is so much awesome art to be inspired by, technique to observe, good tutorials [and bad ones but hey]. i never relied on tutorials, i always tried to observe the world around me, but regardless, dA helped me so much, my shit was so shitty when i came here [and i postponed creating an account for the longest time because i didn't wanna share shit, but my friend joined and i wanted to support her to so eventually i came] and nowadays i don't think my shit is so shitty (: i think what helped, and still helps me the most is the fact that i'm so much more self conscious about my drawings when they're in a public community, and the fact that we get feedback. I want people who support me to like them, they deserve to see good stuff, i'm not drawing just for myself, so i can't be sloppy.
about art tutorials in dA: people will be people. people will overestimate themselves, and some, fewer, will underestimate themselves.
There will always be people who shouldn't be doing tutorials doing tutorials but i dare to say that's a minority. i wish everybody was self-conscious about their own level but what can men do? like you said, sometimes people get popular for the wrong reasons and that leads them to believe they're better than they actually are.
That doesn't particularly bother me - it's something i know we can't fight and it's not harmful like other things people will submit so i don't care. As to paying for a tutorial, i never would. i'd rather buy an art book
Very nice little rant, fun to read and oh so true o/
oh and about what happened, what a fucking bitch o.o'
In your situation, I think it's likely that Abbey overestimated what she was offering. Maybe the visual execution wasn't great, but whatever text she added was had some technical value, so she thought that would be enough? Maybe she saw other people of her skill level offering tutorials for a price, so she decided to try it herself.
Personally, I think all of us, no matter the skill level, can learn from one another — but that doesn't mean we can necessarily teach one another, if that makes sense. That is... someone who is an absolute beginner may be able to point out some spot on flaws in the work of a more experienced artist, but that doesn't mean they know how to correct the mistake.
That said,I'm not sure when an artist should feel comfortable with making a profit from a tutorial. There are so many methods out there, and each artist learns and adapts to a personal style, eventually.
I suppose when an artist reaches the point that they stop second guessing themselves — when they can focus more on the creative aspects of their work because there is less of a struggle with the technical — I'd consider them more qualified to charge for a "how to" kind of lesson.
And I think you nailed the most important point about teaching (and learning) how to draw: It's not enough to simply supply a step-by-step procedure. Whether learning or teaching, you have to explain the WHY behind a rule, otherwise it will be far more difficult and awkward to draw anything that's not following the same perspective/style that's used in the tutorial.
And I LOVE receiving and trading feedback. Critique me any time!
I mean the artist who has to really strain and labor to create the perspective/anatomy/etc that they envision, versus the artist who has their technical skills more down pat so that they can focus on the image/message as whole.
Like foreign language study. As a beginner, it takes more thought and effort to form even simple sentences. As you move on toward fluency, you can express yourself more easily and explore richer areas of conversation.
Trying to help
They shouldn't really have reacted that way, but you did your part
Personally I think you did the right thing. I agree beginners shouldn't be telling other people how to do something, because we're still learning ourselves, and they definitely shouldn't be charging money for it I don't mind if professional artists charge money for tutorials because it's their only income, they have to pay bills with it. If I can't afford it then I don't buy it simple as that, but I understand.
The tutorials that bother me are the ones with just pictures of each step and brush settings, an artist I follow does them a lot and calls them tutorials instead of step by steps. How is that helpful? They're showing us how to recreate one thing only in the way they did it, they're not explaining why they did it or how it translates into other ways, you know? I like video tutorials simply because you can hear the artist explaining what they've done and why they do it. But I like tutorials on DA because if you don't understand something you can ask the artist about it, which is far more helpful to me. Pretty much everything I've learnt art-wise has been through dA and practicing what I've seen and heard on here. So yeah, I love tutorials as long as they actually have explanations
I totally agree on your rants on online tutorials that they should be free. Because they are made in the artist's own skills/ style and opinion, they only provide the basics and inspirations where you can take in and maybe try on your own, not something you should have to pay for. I found colouring tutorials the most useful.
As for my experiences, I self-taught my drawings, by looking at other people's cartoons I guess (digimon, pokemon, cartoon network etc). But I NEVER trace, and often I would try to draw in different angle and action. Because I wanted my drawings to be my own, (even if they are fanart, and I don't even know what fanart was then). My cartoon/manga drawings development have nothing to do with tutorials when I was small. But I enjoy manga, and Christopher Hart was one of the authors of the manga art books in my primary school and high school libraries. I didn't know he didn't draw any of his drawings and generally, I didn't care. At that age (10-12 yrs old), tutorial books only appeal to me in quality of drawing/colour and what something looks like. I always ignore the sketches and steps and the actual tutorial, because they seem pointless to me. (I don't sketch, I learn to draw by simply looking at something and draw it). That might make me sound so smart and pro but really, I'm no expert artist, I know next to nothing about techniques and strategies in drawing, I draw because it's what I enjoy and express myself. I will never be able to do any tutorial about drawing.
I did went to an art class (outside school) in yr 6 for a few weeks. I forgot why or how, I think I was interested in it and my mum enrolled me in it. I remember learning shadings (which was the only useful thing to me, caus I have no grip on shading), drawing objects and landscapes, basically what I would learn in high school a year later... my pride and joy from that class was my painting of a waterfall landscape from a calender, which was later put into a frame and put on show with the rest of other people's best arts. It was a kid stuff, actually, now I think of it. (btw, I am HORRIBLE at painting, it either comes out good or it comes out crap even now). Overall the class wasn't very useful since it didn't contribute to my drawing development progress
For me, tutorials are more to see for fun but not actually teach me to draw. But yknow that's how I learn, I know other people learn differently and that's ok
On the subject of Abbey, I really think that you did nothing wrong and you should not receive the responses that you received. Some people are just ignorant and rude, and I hate those people. Those "fans" of hers -__- As for Abbey herself, I'm not sure what goes through her head. I haven't seen her drawing/tutorial or your comment so I can't judge her thinking, or your comment's offensiveness (not like you intended it). But some people do not take critiques seriously or think that "this critique is so wrong because I'm right" types. I just didn't like how she did not respond at all, since you said that you guys talked and helped each other before, I think it's just rude to not even take in that account, and she should know that you have good intentions. On addition to that, blocked and remove is just a low act considering she didn't even show/tell you why she would block you.
All in all though, you shouldn't keep being upset about this, and let it go It's a life experience